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Comment by TROY on March 4, 2013 at 12:42pm

@ViP, I think you may be right, and that this represents an evolution toward maturity as a people, and just like the Young Soul paradigm permeates our culture, regardless of Soul Age, so would a Mature Soul paradigm permeate the culture if we were to start enforcing those values. A Mature Soul paradigm would allow for, and consider, the necessities of all of its people, including Infant, Baby, Young and Old mentality, and provide outlets for satisfying those desires, fears, and lessons. 

Comment by ViP on March 3, 2013 at 9:42pm

The interesting thing about that depiction of a resource based economy is that while entirely technologically feasible today, only a mature-souled (at least) level of population would likely be of the mindset to make it work as intended. The mentality of the inhabitants is far more important than fancy tools and technologies (which, while needed, are treated and exactly that - tools.)

Comment by Eric on March 1, 2013 at 5:08pm

Geraldine - Indeed, getting knocked back will not be easy times.  It'll be hard, but we have the benefit of it being a gradual process, at least enough to start looking at and implementing some sustainable measures.  Michael did say that "consumption" was a major lesson for humanity, and I can definitely see that.

Troy - Hence why I said "similar" economies.  The feudal/barter economies work on very similar principles, but are indeed not like the resource-based economies portrayed by those such as the Venus Project.  To me, that's similar to the difference between Baby and Mature souls.  Feudal/barter, as we know/think of it would be like the Baby version, while Resource-based would be the Mature version.  My hypothesis it that perhaps the collapse of our current system may give rise to a feudal/barter system, but that it may be from that system that a Resource-based economy evolves from.  The primary difference between them is the perspective (survival, debt, and exploitation versus abundance, resource and wise-use).

Violet - Indeed, much of what we are use to in the West is gained at the expense of those elsewhere, as well as the environment.  Unfortunately, that's what will cause the hardest fall.  I agree that principles like permaculture, if utilized, will be a valuable piece of the puzzle in the future.

Comment by Violet on March 1, 2013 at 2:33pm

I imagine that in the nearish future the West will have to give up it's material privilege.  It isn't fair for a small minority to consume so much more than everyone else.  The West isn't so much stilted, but RIDING ON THE BACKS OF THE THIRD WORLD.  From sweatshop labor to cheap bananas, the current paradigm of material privilege is EXPLOITIVE and predicated on a collective sense of entitlement.

In the article you shared, Eric, the writer mentioned the 3 tiers of economy.  The primary tier is THE NATURAL WORLD where all resources come from originally.

I see PERMACULTURE DESIGN as a viable means to create a resource based economy WITHIN OUR LIFETIME.

Permaculture looks at NATURAL resources and applies them in self sustaining systems.

According to permaculture design principals pollution is "un-utilized energy"

It goes deeper!!  I read the text book over and over and over again while I was isolated in New Mexico.

Here's a video that demonstrates turning a starving desert community into a place of ABUNDANCE

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Comment by TROY on March 1, 2013 at 1:51pm

I don't think a resource-based economy is the same thing as a feudal or bartering or survival based economy as depicted in most apocalyptic scenarios. Those are all debt-based, I think. Resource-based is completely different in dynamic.

Comment by Geraldine B on February 28, 2013 at 11:24pm

At this point in my developing "Project," I've already come across multiple civilizations that collapsed. It was not pretty. It put humans on the path to extinction several times. We dropped from strongly urban societies to hunter-gathers again -- from high density populations to maybe 10,000. Yes, it did go to a resource-based economy. 

I've watched or read enough speculative fiction about "after civilization," and none of it is particularly appealing. Think of Mad Max (which followed a nuclear war). Think of "The Postman," which was following a nuclear winter. Think of the recent "after man" television show that showed the rather fast disappearance of all signs of civilization. There was a recent television series on a similar theme -- no electricity. All of them reveal a "resource-based economy," and none look appealing.

I agree that the Primary Economy, based on all natural resources, is in deep problems. It has been pushed to the brink of absolute disaster by a combination of misuse of resources, overpopulation, and failure to repair damage, such as pollution. Additionally, I do think we're undergoing the final phases of the end of the last glacial period of the Ice Age, and it is unstoppable. During the past 1 million years, human's biggest nemeses have been: climate change, space debris impacts, volcanos and earthquakes, AND climate change. From my project's perspective, the fail of the primary economy has caused every major population setback, whether it was due to the virus at 1 million years or those later natural events. Naturally, all caused going to a resource-based economy.

I eye things like how we fish for tuna and know that it's as nonsustainable as any other instances of "over" production -- whether it's fisheries, forests, fresh water, over-grazing. Humans have perfected using more than can be replenished. 

As for everything I've read so far about a resource-based economy, it always reads like science fiction and/or as a utopian communist system. Since there are still nearly half of the Design's Essences who are a combination of Infant, Baby, and Young Souls, I do not see how they will figure into a one of these utopian ideals, UNLESS we drop at least half of our population and spread out into non-global cultures. 

There is a level below feudal -- it's called tribal.

Comment by Eric on February 28, 2013 at 10:23pm

Indeed, they make mention that a full swing Mature Soul paradigm won't be in affect until 100-500 years or so from now.  What I find interesting is that the article mentions that collapses of complex civilizations are often followed by less-monetary, feudal-like systems.  I had the thought that perhaps this will happen again, and it is this feudal-like system that will evolve into the Mature Soul paradigm in the end.

As far as free/zero-point energy, I'm skeptical about its existence/application, although that could be something else to ask to Michael in the future.

Comment by Maxim on February 28, 2013 at 7:02pm

In the latter '90s I was following Barbara Marciniak's Pleiadians.  One of the things they said was our system was being held up by half a toothpick.... suggesting collapse was imminent and after it happened we would develop a much more direct connection and economy and wonder how we survived the old way.  It sounded good but it now seems a bit naive to expect a new system to evolve right away.  It now seems like a slower process.  The mature soul paradigm is coming but it may take a couple hundred years to see it in full swing.

The article made and interesting definition of three layers of the economy: Primary, the natural world, Secondary, human made goods and services.  Teritary, money and finance.  Last summer I visited a place predicated on living off the land... no electricity, no petroleum... as if making preparations for a simpler economy.

Not mentioned in the article or in the recent Michael channeling is the development of free/zero point energy which would be a big game changer in terms of pollution and man made global warming... not to mention the acknowledgment of non-terrestrial societies that are connected to this planet.